Curse

Holz · Sep 02, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I pug'd today (last time too)

Got asked to ping my build?! (refused, silly wammo then shut up)

I lol'd. I also wonder what gives people with either green, black, italic or bold names on here the right to find themselves superior to other people and behave like arrogant douches ingame... When I PUG, I always ask the people for their builds. Sometimes I make suggestions, as in which skills to replace etc.. Why would one not ping their build? To hide their amazing new build that insta-kills an enemy with only 3 spells? No.. just show your build to your party members, and you might adjust each other's builds for better synergy and gameplay..

DreamRunner · Sep 02, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Got asked to ping my build?! (refused, silly wammo then shut up)

I've been an w/mo with mending touch. Nothing wrong with mending touch on a warrior at all but with the mentality that you have, I guess its all good to generalize.

Here was the build I was running in TA that I also was kicked even when I asked what build they want.

[skill]Crippling slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]sprint[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

bhavv · Sep 02, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Having a bad skill bar is just part of the learning curve, we have all been there. Some people don't care about skill bars, some just log in to have a bit of fun, they don't care if their build doesn't 'pwn face'.

Yes when I was there I listened to suggestions, particularly when I started HA. However, people nowadays dont listen to anyone, they thing their mending and flare are uber.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

[skill]Crippling slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]sprint[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Thats a load of crap, even worse then my quivering blade build.

Why do you even use gash without any skills to inflict bleeding? Does that even make sense? You deserved the kick whether it be TA or PVE.

Boops · Sep 02, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Yes when I was there I listened to suggestions, particularly when I started HA. However, people nowadays dont listen to anyone, they thing their mending and flare are uber.

Thats a load of crap, even worse then my quivering blade build.

Why do you even use gash without any skills to inflict bleeding? Does that even make sense? You deserved the kick whether it be TA or PVE.

Are you trying to be funny? Crippling Slash causes bleeding...

Stormlord Alex · Sep 02, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Why do you even use gash without any skills to inflict bleeding? Does that even make sense? You deserved the kick whether it be TA or PVE.

Cripslash got buffed and now causes bleeding.
Regardless, Sprint is myeh at best. Rush pwns.

bhavv · Sep 02, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Boops

Are you trying to be funny? Crippling Slash causes bleeding...

Are they ever going to update skill icons on here?

DreamRunner · Sep 02, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Cripslash got buffed and now causes bleeding.
Regardless, Sprint is myeh at best. Rush pwns.

Yeah I love Rush too, but final thrust and rush don't sync because of the having no adrenalin at the end thing. I do want to option to get out frenzy.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Are they ever going to update skill icons on here?

Crippling Slash got buffed a good while now, was back in April so... 5 months ago. It was actually nerfed to 6 adrenalin required back in June and hasn't been touched since. If you used a warrior or even used a warrior hero you may...know this. But rather you keep wanting and crying about having 7 heroes to own HM. Hows that to your little jab above?

miyau · Sep 02, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Just cutting and pasting your bar into party chat. Need to save and name it before hand.

Oh! Thanks

Hadn't noticed the save template option before, that will save a lot of time when testing out other skills I've never used before!

MrFuzzles · Sep 02, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Just cutting and pasting your bar into party chat. Need to save and name it before hand.

You don't have to save/name it beforehand if you're in an outpost. Just ctrl+click your skillbar.

I still don't understand why people refuse to ping, and why asking them to makes me a noob or whatever. Maybe I have yet to appreciate the pro'ness of being oblivious to what shouts our para is bringing or just guessing if our warrior is a tank or dd.

LONGA · Sep 02, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Today I experience a bad PuG moment trying to go for Rragar's Menagerie which is labeled master difficulty.
The leader is running Gladiator defense which I rate it 3 out of 5. The first time just trying to reach the dungeon we got wiped by Molotov Rocktail which the leader don't do anything because he is having fun nuking with his toy siege devourer.Somebody insist going back to reset DP
Second time we just got wiped again because the leader just run ahead not waiting for group and end up sandwiched between charr and mandragor.Back to outpost again and got people leaving.

We decide to look for people to fill up the missing. The rest of the party ping the skillbar.And I found that most of the team arn't really up for job.That when I quit and got the leader saying that I'm retared.

I was running Archer signet + Savage shot + Concussion shot + Read the wind.And advertised as Interrupt ranger.

It really depressing Pugs nowaday.

A11Eur0 · Sep 02, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

It's because all the good players play alone. it's a vicious cycle. In order to get a good PUG, you need good players to PUG. They won't PUG because there's no other good players to PUG.

I still PUG. I consider myself a good player...I attack what's pinged, I ping when I feel I'm the one with the most ability for evaluating the situation, and I have decent builds. If I find a skill isn't working for me, I drop it and put in something that I'm lacking. If I know I'm going to be fighting a bunch of individual enemies I drop my barrage build and load up my poison build...if I know I'll be fighting huge mobs I load up my splinter barrage pwnage build with interrupts for the occasional individual.

I've been doing most of GWEN with heroes/henchies because I want to get used to heroes and they have sucky builds/equipment atm and don't want to inconvenience anyone...but yesterday I completed the whole Ebon Vanguard line with 2 other players and our heroes together. It was fun, nobody was getting on anyone's case for taking their time(playing around with the siege devourer FTW), and we got through it just fine.

Croco Clouds · Sep 02, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Yeah, everytime I PUG, at least one of the players is an idiot, who usually run to the mob and think he can solo them. While we try to rez them, they actually never said thanks (and also use the universal excuse: LAG)

A11Eur0 · Sep 02, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

When I get a Leeroy in my group, and I'm the monk on occasion, I just dont rez him until we're past the next couple of mobs just to teach him a lesson.

Age · Sep 02, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

The problem is that people have lost all faith in one another and not trusting one another.It is like what is going in the real world society no faith or trust.I am not afraid to ping my build that is being cooperative.This is sort of scary or sad depending on how you look at it imagine when the servers are finally shut down and if Anet is nice they can give us a single player version of the game.This will mean no guild/alliance chat or who won in the HoH as well as Favour.

C2K · Sep 02, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Are they ever going to update skill icons on here?

Shouldn't matter. Anyone who currently plays the game and criticizes other's builds would know which skills are hot(either being buffed recently or at one point in time) and which are teh suck, regardless of whether the icons used for this website are updated or not.

As for the Cripslash build, Rush > Sprint, because you can get out of frenzy faster with Rush than sprint in most cases. If you go up against a well coordinated team, no amount of healing may be able to save you if you get spiked in Frenzy.

MrFuzzles · Sep 03, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Yeah, everytime I PUG, at least one of the players is an idiot, who usually run to the mob and think he can solo them. While we try to rez them, they actually never said thanks (and also use the universal excuse: LAG)

You know what's worse than people who die to silly reasons?

Kula · Sep 03, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Do people never bother grouping together anymore?

Most of the time, no.

But for those that do, the majority prefer to be invited into groups than start their own. Not many like to be party leader. Many a time I've noticed a lone player spamming for "lfg" for such-n-such mission but they just ignore single invites because they are literally "looking for a group" (group invites) and not just someone else to party with.

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Also it may not be as fun to party with someone that is "rushing" through the quest when you want to go at your own pace, or when others are taking their sweet time smelling the flowers while you want to go at a faster pace. On top of that, different playing styles can clash and leave a bitter taste from pugging again.

Otherwise it's a great way to break the monotony.

BLOODGOAT · Sep 03, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

I had a decent PUG the other night in Hell's Precipice NM. I was healing with another monk who had a build that I personally deemed terrible (it had no energy management whatsoever, a bunch of 10-15 energy skills, and nothing really synergized) but we still managed to plow through the enemies due to playing intelligently. The real problem I have with that mission is everyone targets one enemy, while the kid with Wammo-syndrome runs up and tries to solo another. Even if he is successful at soloing that one monster, and does end up killing it, it typically spells imminent disaster because we just dropped two monsters, now here are four more! Though that surprisingly wasn't much of a problem because somebody actually brought Winter, enabling us to down foes that much quicker.

Might I add that this was at 2 in the morning when there's usually a max of ten people in Hell's Precipice?

Hell, they even followed my commands! I notified everyone that I was there strictly to cap (and even with two cap sigs on my belt I still had an incredibly versatile straight-up healer) and requested they leave at least one monster alive while killing Rurik so I could snare Hundred Blades, and lo and behold, they did!

Once in a lifetime.

HawkofStorms · Sep 03, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Yeah, everytime I PUG, at least one of the players is an idiot, who usually run to the mob and think he can solo them. While we try to rez them, they actually never said thanks (and also use the universal excuse: LAG)

Or you know, he could have actually had lag.

I mean, I've played this game on 56k before and had a 30 second long (quite literally) lag spike. The game was stuck on one frame, 30 seconds later, my character was 200 yards ahead dead surrounded by the army of mienze.

BLOODGOAT · Sep 03, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Or after that one update a few weeks ago... I couldn't stop getting lag spikes, dropping, fall under 12k ping, etc.